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  • So Lothric, Younger Prince was considered a Lord of Cinder even though he never kindled the flame and instead chose to never take the throne and watch the flame fade from a distance. That is literally the same thing Vendrick did. So should we add Vendrick to the Lords of Cinder category? 

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    • Pretty sure Vendrick didn't forfeit the throne, but rather never reached it.

      He was "not a king at all" according to the Shield of Want's description, which is also stated by Aldia. According to the lore of DaSII, only a "true monarch" could claim the throne, and thus choose whether to link the fire or leave it.

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    • There is no such Item as the Shield of Want and all of the items that come from Nashandra(The one's with Want in their names) say nothing about Vendrick not being a king at all. Aldia does  say that Vendrick was close to being a true monarch. If that is the case and he was never a monarch then he isn't a Lord of Cinder, but that means he also isn't a Dark Lord so shouldn't he be removed from that page?

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    • Jucyxpress wrote:
      There is no such Item as the Shield of Want and all of the items that come from Nashandra(The one's with Want in their names) say nothing about Vendrick not being a king at all. Aldia does  say that Vendrick was close to being a true monarch. If that is the case and he was never a monarch then he isn't a Lord of Cinder, but that means he also isn't a Dark Lord so shouldn't he be removed from that page?

      There is a Shield of Want in Dark Souls 3. It's basically Vendrick's shield in Dark Souls 2.

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    • Vendrick could light the fire, but he didn't do it. He wants a pernament solution.

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    • The Shield of Want is found in the first part of Smouldering Lake, shouldn't be too hard to locate once you're there.

      Once again, the "in the end, he was no King" line combined with Aldia's talk about a "true monarch" implies that Vendrick wasn't a Lord of Cinder, because he didn't have whatever it was that defined a "true monarch." Also, I don't think Vendrick is ever referred to as anything but the King of Drangleic, whereas I've found references to all of the ones you're trying to 'collect,' along with Gwyn himself.

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    • Alright. Thanks. I understand he isn't a Lord of Cinder, but he isn't a Dark Lord either, correct? He never had what was needed to be a monarch so he couldn't be a Dark Lord either, correct?

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    • From my understanding of the lore between all three games, anyone can be a dark lord or Lord of Cinder, if of course "THE DARK LORD" is a title referring to the one who reaches the feat of either rekindling the flame or allowing it to extinguish. Lords of Cinder, in my opinion, seem to imply those who attempted (and successfully for another era of light) rekindled the flame (and accepting the punishment provided for doing so such as going mad or becoming charred). Therefore, Vendrick as far as we know, is NOT a "Dark Lord" or a "Lord of Cinder as he never attempted to extinguish or rekindle the flame. As suggested above, he wanted a permanent solution and never really bothered with rekindling (unless there is lore Im missing). Our first DS hero is a Lord of Cinder (if you chose to rekindle the Bonfire) or a Dark Lord (if you chose to let it extinguish). Our 2nd DS hero however is neither as he/she chooses to either take up a throne or not (making him/her king/queen or not). Hope this helps and finds agreement amongst the others.

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    • 167.154.37.78 wrote:
      Our 2nd DS hero however is neither as he/she chooses to either take up a throne or not (making him/her king/queen or not). Hope this helps and finds agreement amongst the others.

      Like the Chosen Undead, the Bearer of the Curse can be a Lord of Cinders or a Dark Lord. Taking their place on the Throne of Want wasn't meant to imply that they become a King or Queen. Once they take the throne, they either decide to link the fire, or do not. If they decided to link the fire, they became a Lord of Cinder. If not, then they became a "Dark Lord" which I imagine is meaningless, because someone else came along after them and linked the fire anyway. We don't get told what choice they made, but like I said, it didn't end up mattering. The only scenario in which the Bearer of the Curse isn't considered a Lord of Cinder/Dark Lord is if you follow the questline in the Scholar of the First Sin edition, kill Aldia, and choose to pull a Vendrick of sorts and seek another solution.

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    • from what i think (and i could be wrong), to you effectivelly become a Lord of Cinder, you'll need "to be a monarch" (I take this phrases as "someone strong and resolute enough"). Someone that tries to link the flame but don't have this quality will inevitably become an Unkindled, so if Vendrick had the chance (or the will) to link the flame, he would fail and become like the Ashen One

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